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Title: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 14, 2012, 05:57 am
Some people don't like the "lend me a few BTC" threads, some people don't mind them and a few people have said they shouldn't be allowed.

What do you think? Why?

This isn't going to effect anything, I'm just interested to see who thinks what about this issue.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: raven92 on August 14, 2012, 06:01 am
Add an option for "Make a beggars corner sub-section?"
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: blackend646 on August 14, 2012, 06:04 am
I feel like part of the philosophy of Silkroad is that if you don't like it you should just be an adult and not associate with it, rather than trying to pass a bunch of ridiculous legislation. If the begging threads bother you, just don't open them.

People just like to complain, a 1/4 inch stretch of pixels on an internet forum is not that big of a deal
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: dkmonk on August 14, 2012, 06:09 am
I don't care and understand sometimes you come up a few bucks short. I asked for two bucks on here once, but I have given out over 20 to people in need.

The only times it bothers me when a person has only a few posts and is begging. I think someone should at least provide something for the forum by making some good posts and becoming familiar with the other users before going around and begging. I wouldn't ask a stranger for change, but I would and acquaintance or friend.

Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 14, 2012, 06:10 am
Really? For me SR is about cutting the crap that you get on the street like people trying to barter you down with "Urgh can you do me this much for that price". That's why it annoys me.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: psychonauts on August 14, 2012, 06:17 am
Really? For me SR is about cutting the crap that you get on the street like people trying to barter you down with "Urgh can you do me this much for that price". That's why it annoys me.
i don't think it would be so bad if the website had negotiation functionality built into it. right now it just spams your inbox and hence the annoyance
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: dkmonk on August 14, 2012, 06:21 am
Negotiating is part of drugs transaction, and think it always should be, but there is a right of passage that you should follow first. You should spend money and prove to be loyal before trying a negotiation.

I have negotiated with many vendors on here. One vendor and I even have developed enough of a bond where he sends the order without me even having to pay and I just send the BTC's when I can. It is all about respect and trust. I have also loaned a vendor money before when he needed, so it goes both ways.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: trollsquad on August 14, 2012, 06:22 am
They don't bug me but thats because it's fun to talk shit to these guys with one post.  Although I don't really want a beggers forum with the wide amount of beggers we might just need one.  To keep the main forum area clear since you can always hide the sub forum. 

Another idea could be we have a forum section for it but you can only post in it if you have enough post so it keeps newbs out and helps out veterans.

Just my 2cents
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 14, 2012, 06:29 am
Negotiating is part of drugs transaction, and think it always should be, but there is a right of passage that you should follow first. You should spend money and prove to be loyal before trying a negotiation.

I have negotiated with many vendors on here. One vendor and I even have developed enough of a bond where he sends the order without me even having to pay and I just send the BTC's when I can. It is all about respect and trust. I have also loaned a vendor money before when he needed, so it goes both ways.

Really? The most I will ever do is throw in tracking/next day delivery at no extra cost but I would have to have a lot of love for the custy and they would have to be spending a fair whack. And I don't feel that negotiation has to be part of it, personally I set my prices and if you don't have enough then tough shit. Everyone get's treated the same, why should Mr Smith get the same amount for a few quid less than Mr Jones? The answer is there is absolutely no reason why they should.

My real bugbear are the threads on the forum though, I just find them annoying to read.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: psychonauts on August 14, 2012, 06:42 am
Negotiating is part of drugs transaction, and think it always should be, but there is a right of passage that you should follow first. You should spend money and prove to be loyal before trying a negotiation.

I have negotiated with many vendors on here. One vendor and I even have developed enough of a bond where he sends the order without me even having to pay and I just send the BTC's when I can. It is all about respect and trust. I have also loaned a vendor money before when he needed, so it goes both ways.

Really? The most I will ever do is throw in tracking/next day delivery at no extra cost but I would have to have a lot of love for the custy and they would have to be spending a fair whack. And I don't feel that negotiation has to be part of it, personally I set my prices and if you don't have enough then tough shit. Everyone get's treated the same, why should Mr Smith get the same amount for a few quid less than Mr Jones? The answer is there is absolutely no reason why they should.


it's not about fairness though, it's business. he can't afford to patronize you at the current price. if you have an unlimited supply, it might make sense for you to eat into your profit margin a bit to at least make *some* profit off the guy. bonus points if you make him feel like you're doing him a huge once-only favor, engendering long-term gratitude and repeat business.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: dkmonk on August 14, 2012, 06:46 am
Mr. Smith would get a better deal if he is a hassle free customer, polite, spends well, and gains you business. I am not saying this should be what every vendor does, but this is why some people decide to hook up certain customers of theirs.

Every transaction doesn't need to be negotiated I have definitely bought way more listings for regular listing price than anything, but if I am doing steady business and have helped gain customer basis for someone it is nice to get some appreciation every once in awhile. I would never demand anything, it is just something that is usually offered to me as a token of appreciation.

Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 14, 2012, 06:51 am
Negotiating is part of drugs transaction, and think it always should be, but there is a right of passage that you should follow first. You should spend money and prove to be loyal before trying a negotiation.

I have negotiated with many vendors on here. One vendor and I even have developed enough of a bond where he sends the order without me even having to pay and I just send the BTC's when I can. It is all about respect and trust. I have also loaned a vendor money before when he needed, so it goes both ways.

Really? The most I will ever do is throw in tracking/next day delivery at no extra cost but I would have to have a lot of love for the custy and they would have to be spending a fair whack. And I don't feel that negotiation has to be part of it, personally I set my prices and if you don't have enough then tough shit. Everyone get's treated the same, why should Mr Smith get the same amount for a few quid less than Mr Jones? The answer is there is absolutely no reason why they should.


it's not about fairness though, it's business. he can't afford to patronize you at the current price. if you have an unlimited supply, it might make sense for you to eat into your profit margin a bit to at least make *some* profit off the guy. bonus points if you make him feel like you're doing him a huge once-only favor, engendering long-term gratitude and repeat business.

If I have an unlimited supply, which I essentially do then why do I need to settle for any profit I can get? I do not and it makes no sense for me to do so. Doing that is just scrambling to make as much money as fast as I can which I don't need to do when I have all the time in the world and happy to pick and choose whom I want to sell to. Also doing silly favours like that does not bring anything positive to the table for me, it just breeds a culture of people expecting to be able to get a few quid off whenever they want, that inevitably spreads and then everybody expect to be able to. Being fair is good business, how would you feel if you walked into a shop and the person who bought the same thing before you received a discount and you did not? What makes you any less deserving than Joe Bloggs in front of you?

And yeah I agree with Joey to a certain extent, if someone with good presence asked then yes, maybe I would consider it but some no-name or someone with the balls to ask for a few BTC for a vendor account? GTFOOH!
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: psychonauts on August 14, 2012, 06:58 am
If I have an unlimited supply, which I essentially do then why do I need to settle for any profit I can get? I do not and it makes no sense for me to do so. Doing that is just scrambling to make as much money as fast as I can which I don't need to do when I have all the time in the world and happy to pick and choose whom I want to sell to. Also doing silly favours like that does not bring anything positive to the table for me, it just breeds a culture of people expecting to be able to get a few quid off whenever they want, that inevitably spreads and then everybody expect to be able to. Being fair is good business, how would you feel if you walked into a shop and the person who bought the same thing before you received a discount and you did not? What makes you any less deserving than Joe Bloggs in front of you?

And yeah I agree with Joey to a certain extent, if someone with good presence asked then yes, maybe I would consider it but some no-name or someone with the balls to ask for a few BTC for a vendor account? GTFOOH!

fair points, although you are very fortunate to be so well situated as a vendor and as a human being who knows what's important in life. 'scrambling to make as much money as possible' is a fully fleshed-out business plan for some people.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: dkmonk on August 14, 2012, 07:03 am
A lot of times businesses do give discounts to good customer's. There is a restaurant I go to all the time and I receive 10% off my bill. I used to buy cannabis seeds and would get a deal if certain amount of cash is spent.

Maybe our difference in location breeds different business attitudes. I thought this was common business practices. I am unaware how business is done in the U.K. I know in the middle east it is almost exclusively done by bartering though.

This is an interesting thread. I like learning of different cultural practices.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: psychonauts on August 14, 2012, 07:10 am
... in the middle east ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u75XQdTxZRc
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: dkmonk on August 14, 2012, 07:16 am
That gave me a good chuckle.

I am going to have to watch more Monty Python.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 14, 2012, 07:18 am
If I have an unlimited supply, which I essentially do then why do I need to settle for any profit I can get? I do not and it makes no sense for me to do so. Doing that is just scrambling to make as much money as fast as I can which I don't need to do when I have all the time in the world and happy to pick and choose whom I want to sell to. Also doing silly favours like that does not bring anything positive to the table for me, it just breeds a culture of people expecting to be able to get a few quid off whenever they want, that inevitably spreads and then everybody expect to be able to. Being fair is good business, how would you feel if you walked into a shop and the person who bought the same thing before you received a discount and you did not? What makes you any less deserving than Joe Bloggs in front of you?

And yeah I agree with Joey to a certain extent, if someone with good presence asked then yes, maybe I would consider it but some no-name or someone with the balls to ask for a few BTC for a vendor account? GTFOOH!

fair points, although you are very fortunate to be so well situated as a vendor and as a human being who knows what's important in life. 'scrambling to make as much money as possible' is a fully fleshed-out business plan for some people.

If you look at the vendors that burn out and have to call it quits you can see that they do this because they are scramblers even if they do not mean to be. They expand to quickly without the correct infrastructure in place to deal with an ever-increasing volume of orders. If you look at Tony76, this is probably why he decided to pull that shit and disappear over the rainbow because he was selling too many products and could not cope with the shear volume of sales. Most recently we have seen Pfand has been a victim of this too when he expanded into the Blow market. The problem is to do with mentality where Vendors naturally (and quite understandably) feel they need to move as much product as possible before their supply dries or they get caught whereas in actuality so long as your security is maintained and you have all the time in the world and being selective with your customers actually adds longevity to  your business because it decreases the chances you are selling to A. Kids and B. Cops. Growth is important to every business but managing that growth and maintaining full control at all times is the only way to reach the real goal that is sustainability. So not allowing customers to duck what may only be a few pounds is just what I see as a vital tool for cutting the wheat from the chaff when it comes to my customer list because the ones that don't ask will by default always be the more reliable and stable customer.

Logic my friends, it's what separates us from the animals. :)
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: darthvaderstar on August 14, 2012, 07:24 am
I feel like part of the philosophy of Silkroad is that if you don't like it you should just be an adult and not associate with it, rather than trying to pass a bunch of ridiculous legislation. If the begging threads bother you, just don't open them.

People just like to complain, a 1/4 inch stretch of pixels on an internet forum is not that big of a deal
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Raoul Duke on August 14, 2012, 09:02 am
please sir *cap in hand* i'm about 130 BTC from an order i was going to place. i'll give you it back whenever i remember to :P

i don't understand why with such a volatile currency as the bitcoin people don't always buy a bit over - i always put at least £20 extra in to cover fluctuations
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 14, 2012, 09:03 am
please sir *cap in hand* i'm about 130 BTC from an order i was going to place. i'll give you it back whenever i remember to :P

i don't understand why with such a volatile currency as the bitcoin people don't always buy a bit over - i always put at least £20 extra in to cover fluctuations

That's because you have common sense Mr Duke, it's a rare and much sort after commodity!  ;)
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: nomad bloodbath on August 14, 2012, 09:08 am
It's spam as far as i'm concerned.
>.>
nomad
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: sselevol on August 14, 2012, 10:41 am
I think it's okay within reason, not 130btc :D sometimes shit happens and you're a fraction of a btc short of an order. Anything more than 0.3btc is taking the piss but it would be nice to have a thread or forum dedicated to these requests and get rid of all the threads in SR discussion and off-topic.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: mito on August 14, 2012, 11:04 am
Some people don't like the "lend me a few BTC" threads, some people don't mind them and a few people have said they shouldn't be allowed.

What do you think? Why?

This isn't going to effect anything, I'm just interested to see who thinks what about this issue.

DEATH
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: UKMJ on August 14, 2012, 11:18 am
Make a separate section that way those who want to chip in can and the rest of us that want people to pay for their own recreational drugs can avoid the posts.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Orinoko Flow on August 14, 2012, 11:50 am
I like begging threads ,, its fun to mock them ;D
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Christy Nugs on August 14, 2012, 05:41 pm

That's because you have common sense Mr Duke, it's a rare and much sort after commodity!  ;)

Way to uncommon!!!

It's spam as far as i'm concerned.
>.>
nomad

exactly - too much to wade through and annoying!!
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 14, 2012, 05:46 pm
Yeah basically, I have decided to be more strict on this shit. Like if it's like under 1BTC, then I'll let it go. If it's over that it's getting locked down. People are asking for $20-50 today and it's taking the Swedish and then they have the gall to get lemon about it after someone calls them out. Beggers are one thing, cheeky beggers are quite another.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: pestlepete on August 14, 2012, 06:38 pm
Hi, just a side note:

Someone made a prediction that adding some price break features to listings could cut down on the begging posts (it would definitely cut down on the number of repeat listings on the road). If someone accidentally gets 1% short for their qty. 100 order, they could still order qty. 98 and get almost as good a price (assuming the vendor has well-chosen price breaks), instead of having to order like 9 sets of 10 for 1.25x the price or whatever.

I think credit goes to a customer in a PM.

Peace
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 14, 2012, 06:42 pm
You realize how much of a cock-ache that leaves vendors in because they ultimately get left with an awkward amount of product at the end if they do this?
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: spasmolytic on August 14, 2012, 06:49 pm
You realize how much of a cock-ache that leaves vendors in because they ultimately get left with an awkward amount of product at the end if they do this?

How Much? ;D  jk just busting your chops
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 14, 2012, 06:58 pm
Just got this message from a sample-begger on the road -

Message received from - charon083

Hello good sir, im new here just checking out this wonderful place thanks to a friends advice. Would you be able to give me any samples of your fine product? I do give out good and detailed reviews.    36 minutes    unread
delete

Good Sirs response -

No, fuck off you mother-fucking moocher. Get a fucking job and buy something, this isn't a fucking charity it's a fucking business.

Cunt.

Also if you weren't such a lazy fucking retard you would have taken the time to read my page where it clearly states I don't give out samples to cheap-fucks which you have shown yourself to be a fine example of. So in summary not only are you a mooching piece of fecal matter you are also a stupid mooching piece of fecal matter.

Sod off.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: spasmolytic on August 14, 2012, 07:11 pm
That's professional striping ladies and gents. What the job calls for sometimes I guess.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: nomad bloodbath on August 14, 2012, 07:30 pm
What a Lemon Party!

:)
nomad
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: trollsquad on August 14, 2012, 07:38 pm
Damn lim ripped him a new one!  How often do you get blokes asking for samples? 5 times a day is my guess.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: simplyanon on August 14, 2012, 09:23 pm
Fucks given = 0

Ive been given coin from those threads, and have given coin to those asking.

(I REALLY need to pay cerealbox back still. =[ )

Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: pestlepete on August 14, 2012, 09:55 pm
You realize how much of a cock-ache that leaves vendors in because they ultimately get left with an awkward amount of product at the end if they do this?

Sure, I can see how that would suck if you're prepackaging certain amounts, or if the nature of your business involves your products varying in quality or strain or other attributes. But I'd think it'd be pretty easy to opt out, or just enjoy the leftovers yourself.
 
I happen to sell stuff for which it would be convenient to have price breaks (and I don't mind taking care of the leftovers), so I'm more partial to the idea.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: HOUSE on August 14, 2012, 09:58 pm
They really rub me the wrong fucking way to be honest. It's so simple, just buy an extra 1 BTC to transfer to your SR wallet and always deposit some extra money in your mtgox account or whatever exchange you use. That way, if you're short, you can buy more BTC in an instant.

So no, I'm not lending you 0.3 BTC. Learn to plan ahead or learn to wait a few more days.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: qwopqwop on August 14, 2012, 11:50 pm
Personally I like helping people out as long as they have some forum presence and will pay me.  I have given out 6 loans(obviously not on this account) and all of them have worked out fine.  I think that the people who post angrily on those threads just need to chill the fuck out, I mean lets face it, all of the fucknuts who I have seen post on those threads with derogatory remarks are just playing internet tough guy.  They ask "Would you just go up to some guy and ask for a 10 dollar loan if you needed it?" 

Well let me ask you something, if someone came up to you in real life with that request would you
A.  Politely decline or accept.  or
B.  Throw an angry tantrum like a little bitch and call them names like a 7 year old.

Of course, people expecting help, or noobs asking for money with only 6 posts under their belt are another thing, but in general I don't mind at all if someone politely asks for a small loan on the forums.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 15, 2012, 12:00 am
This isn't real life, none of us know each other so the "If it was IRL" comparison isn't really compatible.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Christy Nugs on August 15, 2012, 12:13 am
Just got this message from a sample-begger on the road -

Message received from - charon083

Hello good sir, im new here just checking out this wonderful place thanks to a friends advice. Would you be able to give me any samples of your fine product? I do give out good and detailed reviews.    36 minutes    unread
delete

Good Sirs response -

No, fuck off you mother-fucking moocher. Get a fucking job and buy something, this isn't a fucking charity it's a fucking business.

Cunt.

Also if you weren't such a lazy fucking retard you would have taken the time to read my page where it clearly states I don't give out samples to cheap-fucks which you have shown yourself to be a fine example of. So in summary not only are you a mooching piece of fecal matter you are also a stupid mooching piece of fecal matter.

Sod off.

roflmao - i got the exact same form letter - deleted
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: qwopqwop on August 15, 2012, 12:18 am
This isn't real life, none of us know each other so the "If it was IRL" comparison isn't really compatible.

In my comparison you wouldn't necessarily know them more than that it was a human being.  Sure we don't know each others names, but we know that we're all human beings, and I think that you probably consider a lot of people on these forums your friends although you don't know their real identities.  I don't think that the comparison is so out of line.

edit: I guess I was a little vulgar in getting to the point though, but yeah, I think it would be great if there was a subforum for begging/loans.  I'm only trying to defend the reasonable people, not the people like one week a month etc. who are clearly scammers or retards
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: pulpfiction on August 15, 2012, 12:19 am
I think the amount of posts the user has under their belt also come into play. It seems someone who has 250 posts and asks for 2 BC is probably more legit than someone who has 2 posts asking for it. Just my opinion. Either way, I support the subforum option.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: GreenGiant on August 15, 2012, 12:51 am
Silkroad should offer a lend us a coin service to it's customers or something, just if they are short they can get a loan of 1BTC. obviously this would only be available to buyers with a certain number of transactions and $ spent and of course SR can charge a small % and the debt will automatically be repaid next time you top up your account.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Snoopish on August 15, 2012, 01:06 am
Eh, I don't mind them. I mean don't open em if you don't like em i think it's great that people are good enough to help people out. especially if the 'beggar' pays the guy back.

As long as there are people willing to help someone out of a jam then people are gonna use that sometimes. as long as nobody takes advantage by becoming a chronic moocher (and then we'd just cut them off I'd hope) I dont mind it.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: kitkat82 on August 15, 2012, 01:50 am
please sir *cap in hand* i'm about 130 BTC from an order i was going to place. i'll give you it back whenever i remember to :P

i don't understand why with such a volatile currency as the bitcoin people don't always buy a bit over - i always put at least £20 extra in to cover fluctuations

LOL.

I do sometimes have a little less than I need.  I have other responsibilities (kids), mortgage, etc and I don't put getting my wants over anything like that, especially my kids.  I only buy a few bitcoins every two weeks around payday, with what I have left over for entertainment money, so it happens to me.

  I never would beg though, I assume it is just teens and college kids doing that.  Seems really immature.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: EpisodeFive on August 15, 2012, 03:31 am
At the end of the day, we're all just buying drugs on the internet. Who gives a fuck?
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: qwopqwop on August 15, 2012, 04:04 am
At the end of the day, we're all just buying drugs on the internet. Who gives a fuck?

Hard to poke holes in that logic.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Saprina on August 15, 2012, 12:40 pm
vendors are no better then buyers. Who cares if somebody ask for a favor? Is it hurting you or your family? People with money have no idea how it is, well some do but some just think it's funny to call other people names. If you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth then that's great for you but why make it harder on those less fortunate? If somebody wants to help out others then why stick your nose in it?  If someone wants to try to borrow money then why stick your nose in it? So all the people who go borrow money from banks or whatever, they are all beggers. Just because somebody starts a thread asking to borrow bit coin does not mean that they are not hard working individuals who has respect for other people.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: crazyburnout on August 15, 2012, 01:36 pm
im just stoked this place exists. i can deal with little annoyances
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: johnwholesome on August 15, 2012, 02:00 pm
I don't really mind tbh. I've helped out 3 or 4 times with rather petty amounts, and frankly, seeing some other guy getting ecstatic because he doesn't have to do another funding round waiting 3,4,5 days becuz he was $5 short is just heartwarming.

Key here is to realize that not all requests are the same. Obviously a douchebag panhandler on the traffic light isn't the same as some guy in the breakroom whom forgot his wallet.

Sample smoochers though, I agree, gtfo with that shit...
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: AlphaLima on August 15, 2012, 03:49 pm
johnwholesome - I LOVE your pic. I'm constantly being drug tested because the DEA is convinced that all pm patients are rampant drug addicts. Assholes!!

It seems it's easy to avoid needing BC. I find out how much the stuff costs before I even start the whole exchange thing. And like a previous poster said, I always get $20 or so extra, just in case. I've come up short. Damn, I can't get my 10 pack. Most vendors offer singles. Guess what, I'll have to settle for 7 or 8. Not a big deal. I'm not sure I see the need to beg for BC.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: PsilocybinTendencies on August 15, 2012, 04:02 pm
johnwholesome - I LOVE your pic. I'm constantly being drug tested because the DEA is convinced that all pm patients are rampant drug addicts. Assholes!!

It seems it's easy to avoid needing BC. I find out how much the stuff costs before I even start the whole exchange thing. And like a previous poster said, I always get $20 or so extra, just in case. I've come up short. Damn, I can't get my 10 pack. Most vendors offer singles. Guess what, I'll have to settle for 7 or 8. Not a big deal. I'm not sure I see the need to beg for BC.

Budget is tight. There's a product you really want. The vendor doesn't sell singles. It's a highly demanded product that you KNOW will be gone in one day flat. You end up just a BTC or two short... FUCK.

I've been there. And someone was nice enough to help me out of it. And I payed them back.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 15, 2012, 04:19 pm
I believe that was me wasn't it?
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: johnwholesome on August 15, 2012, 04:39 pm
I believe that was me wasn't it?

Awww a soft heart underneath all that gruffy business demeanor! :P
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: PsilocybinTendencies on August 15, 2012, 05:44 pm
I believe that was me wasn't it?

I wasn't going to say anything, but it certainly was :)

Thanks again Limet-man.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 15, 2012, 06:08 pm
I believe that was me wasn't it?

I wasn't going to say anything, but it certainly was :)

Thanks again Limet-man.

No worries. :) I didn't mind because we get on well and asked me directly and told me what it was for. That's the difference between asking friends and just going cap-in-hand to any bastard who you can find which is essentially what the threads are.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: redcube on August 15, 2012, 06:28 pm
Negotiating is part of drugs transaction, and think it always should be, but there is a right of passage that you should follow first. You should spend money and prove to be loyal before trying a negotiation.

I have negotiated with many vendors on here. One vendor and I even have developed enough of a bond where he sends the order without me even having to pay and I just send the BTC's when I can. It is all about respect and trust. I have also loaned a vendor money before when he needed, so it goes both ways.

Good point.  Respectfully asking for a price break if you are a loyal customer is totally cool.  The seller can also respectfully decline.  No harm there. 
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: AlphaLima on August 15, 2012, 08:41 pm
I'm too new to feel comfortable lending or asking. Maybe once I've been around a while.... That's why I always make sure I have enough coin.

But I can definitely see how it's easy to come up short. I'm lucky that my drugs of choice are "usually" sold in packs and singles. So I always have enough to coin to buy something.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Christy Nugs on August 15, 2012, 10:06 pm
I'm too new to feel comfortable lending or asking. Maybe once I've been around a while.... That's why I always make sure I have enough coin.

But I can definitely see how it's easy to come up short. I'm lucky that my drugs of choice are "usually" sold in packs and singles. So I always have enough to coin to buy something.

I am proud to be the one to give u ur first +1 karma AlphaLima for ur most excellent answer!!
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Limetless on August 16, 2012, 12:39 am
Quite impressed with the response this thread has got. :)
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: 4903kmn1d on August 16, 2012, 12:50 am
I lent less than 1 BTC to a random user who was asking for it on the forum, he had some posts and seemed legit, I didn't really care if the money was lost, he paid it back to me plus a few % interest

It so happened that later I made the mistake of ordering close to the exact amount of BTC for a transaction, not considering BTC fluctuation, ofcourse it did fluctuate - I didn't want to inconvenience the vendor (especially as a new buyer) and ask for a discount, so I went on the forum and the above-mentioned user lent me some money

I can see how as a vendor the constant begging for samples and then people begging for BTC on the forum could get annoying
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: silkroadmobb on August 16, 2012, 12:55 am
I asked for a front and somehow the thread turned into making fake heroin? idk how that happened bt whatever and my name was banned bt it is whatever, I understand. IDK my outlook is if they can help you, that's fukin awesome, especially if you have something to return later. karma u kno?
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: JSB on August 16, 2012, 01:13 am
I think I made a beggar thread last night and someone actually gave me money. I of course have completely no memory of this or most nights due to Ambien so idk man. I've got enough in my account to cover my next order now though.

Just look in your account history, I loaned you 3.7 because you've been a poster here for a long time.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: JSB on August 16, 2012, 01:19 am
Oh snap yeah that makes sense.. I'll get you back on that ASAP. I'm not going to dodge anyone for a couple bucks. :o

That doesn't explain the other deposited bitcoin. Maybe it was a user I helped with medication? Idk.

I meant 3.7 btc, it was from my account JohannSebastianBach, but yeah, I'm not particularly worried about it.  I'm not planning on ordering anything anytime soon so the money would've just been sitting there, and now it's helping someone out, which is nice.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: JSB on August 16, 2012, 01:35 am
Yeah, to me it's nice to be able to help people who spend time on the silk road forums out.  If anyone else with good forum presence asks for a loan I'll help them out with what I can too.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: slybootz on August 16, 2012, 05:02 am
Some people don't like the "lend me a few BTC" threads, some people don't mind them and a few people have said they shouldn't be allowed.

What do you think? Why?

This isn't going to effect anything, I'm just interested to see who thinks what about this issue.

IMO, you should make a sticky thread either in SR Discussion or Off Topic that is for "ZOMG 0.2BTC SHORT HALP MEH" threads.  I am generally annoyed when I see like 10 or so begging threads a week.  It'd be nice to have a condensed sticky for all the beggers, and delete all loan requests that are posted beyond that designated thread.

However if someone is asking for literally 2 bitcents and I like them and I am in a good mood, I sometimes throw them a cent.  I've even given a BTC or two to some close friends on the forums, but only if we've known each other for awhile and and I want to help a brother out.

But honestly, I don't understand how people think that they'll be safe by just getting enough coins to barely make a purchase.  We all know how volatile BTC exchange rate is; I always make sure I'm funding my acct with at least 20bucks over my order price.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Shroomeister on August 16, 2012, 05:19 am
I have not looked at this thread before now. I just voted and replied, so bear with me.

I know it has been said a 10000x and I know it is even one of the voting options (I just picked it)

Create a damn "Skid Row/Beggars Corner" forum and be done with it.

Don't want to see beg threads. Don't look in that forum.

Someone posts a beg thread outside of there. Warn them and move it.

Feeling generous with your .43322933 BTC. Go donate it to the begs!

I think this will solve the problem 2 ways.

1) I (we) wont have to see beg threads out in the open all day long.
2) with beg threads getting less exposure (from the forum as a whole) then there is the possibility that they will stop being effective hence people will stop posting beg threads!!

I personally do not care if they are effective or not. Throw them in Skid Row and let them fend for themselves.

PS - I am not as heartless as I may seem. I can imagine what it is TRULY like to have everything "planned" and then come up short by .05BTC Im sure it sucks. I am also sure this has happened to legit people that have borrowed and paid back as promised. One good turn deserves another, but if I was on the street I would expect to see pan-handling in the subway. Not in my Living Room!
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Shroomeister on August 16, 2012, 05:20 am
It leaves me wondering why a place so REVOLUTIONARY as SR ....is soooooo damn slow to adapt!
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: 10thplanetjj on August 17, 2012, 04:31 pm
i dont like it but i understand people needing that extra few cents or dollar due to fluctuation or something but fuck guys, at least say thank you if you plan on not paying me back .. twice now.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: kitkat82 on August 18, 2012, 05:04 am


Ummmmm Hey guysss

I am liek short on liek an order....LOL

can sum1 plzzzzzz give me um, like I dunno.....30 BTC?  I will be your BFFE! 

(SARCASM)
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Addy on August 19, 2012, 11:41 pm
Create a stickied thread for begging/giving. Sample posts:

"Hey, .25 BTC short, could someone lend a hand? Pay back after Dwolla/whatever clears. Thanks much. Ikfjk34Kklsf4w003jfjKjfkdls"
"Got a spare .6 BTC, any people want to borrow some and pay me back [with interest]?"

Perhaps add some restrictions, like 25 posts or link SR account with 3+ transactions or something.
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Snoopish on August 20, 2012, 10:51 pm
If people would save begging/charity to a dedicated sticky thread I think that would be the best way for every party to get what they want (some get money, some make a little interest, and people who find the begging threads irritating will only see the one stickied)
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: heavyweight on August 21, 2012, 12:17 am
If people would save begging/charity to a dedicated sticky thread I think that would be the best way for every party to get what they want (some get money, some make a little interest, and people who find the begging threads irritating will only see the one stickied)

that wouldn't work.  who would read the thread? only  beggars  :D   
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: Snoopish on August 21, 2012, 12:25 am

that wouldn't work.  who would read the thread? only  beggars  :D

Who reads the regular begging threads? :P
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: heavyweight on August 21, 2012, 12:38 am

that wouldn't work.  who would read the thread? only  beggars  :D

Who reads the regular begging threads? :P

What I am going to write is not based on any research, but i think the original begging thread will have much more chances of succeeding than a  single post in the thread that is full of other similar posts.  Don't want anyone to think I encourage that of course. With my 17 transactions I was never short of bitcoins, I always add extra.  But it was very close with my last order because of the huge drop of btc price.   And for me it takes quite a while to safely get coins. But I wouldn't have created a new thread for that, but I might have asked for help in vendor feedback or product review thread
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: generationlost on August 21, 2012, 07:46 am
I'm a proponent of having beggers betcoin how much they need/want, all or nothing!
Title: Re: The fucking begging threads. >:@
Post by: MenACE2SocietY on August 21, 2012, 12:41 pm
just hard to tell if they are genuine or not